@Zuberi
Here is the setup that was mentioned. Ignore my confusion on it above.

Wizard with magebane cast boulder.
Boulder kills warlock.
since you have to finish the wizard action before the game can end, the mage bane kills him.

@Arkdeniz
I quoted the FAQ segment on it and will re post it here for clarity

"Mage Death
Once a Mage dies, he cannot perform any further actions, pay mana costs, cast spells, make a counterstrike, etc. Any enchantments and equipment attached to himself are immediately destroyed. Other objects he controls in the game remain in play.

If a Mage dies, continue play until the end of that Phase (e.g. the Upkeep Phase, or the current creature's Action Phase.) If all remaining Mages die before the end of that Phase, the game is a draw.

Example: In a two-player game, a Wizard with 1 remaining health and enchanted with Magebane casts an attack spell on the enemy Warlock to kill him. The Warlock is killed and the Wizard will die from the Magebane, and the game will be a draw."

Quote from: RomeoXero on May 28, 2018, 06:54:00 PM

Terrifying visage is effing nasty. That's gonna be broke as fuck if it doesnt have a hefty reveal or some kind of detriment.

I mean, now Alandell can smack zombie brutes for days without them hitting him back if you keep it on him.

It's never that easy..........

this rules item seems a bit much of a tempest in a teapot. there are very few places the rules could be an issue. and those are mostly rare circumstances generally. so this is overblown imo. the rules are overwhelmingly solid.

The rules supplement is 46 pages and roughly 27,000 words when thrown into word by the way.

TL;DR If you need 8 examples and 700 words to describe something then the rules are not clear.

It's not about being "solid"; it's about density. The rules are to dense, there are literally thousands of unnecessary words to describe interactions in this game. That's not debatable by the way, it's one of the reason that the game is in the state it is in. Every expansion comes with ~60 cards and a few thousand new words to describe corner case interactions within it. The rules are drafted in such a way to make the game longer and less fun.

Some people don't mind all that and that's fine, but that is not a defense. Look at what I am talking about


"Mage Death
Once a Mage dies, he cannot perform any further actions, pay mana costs, cast spells, make a counterstrike, etc. Any enchantments and equipment attached to himself are immediately destroyed. Other objects he controls in the game remain in play.

If a Mage dies, continue play until the end of that Phase (e.g. the Upkeep Phase, or the current creature's Action Phase.) If all remaining Mages die before the end of that Phase, the game is a draw.

Example: In a two-player game, a Wizard with 1 remaining health and enchanted with Magebane casts an attack spell on the enemy Warlock to kill him. The Warlock is killed and the Wizard will die from the Magebane, and the game will be a draw."

1.) Overcomplicated rules for corner cases are not good and literally bogging down the game.

2.) That example allows for a complete attack sequence to continue when the mage is already "dead". This rule allows for the incredibly rare situation for a draw outcome when there does not need to be. I would argue that this situation is only a detriment to the game as the Warlock, if I were in that position, would be pissed his spell didn't actually kill you and you got to complete an entire attack sequence, even though you were dead and no other creature functions like that in the game, it's only mages for some allow the phase to continue instead of ending the game there.

What if we came up with a system in which initiative didn't pass automatically?

That's an interesting idea, having events unfold based on spell level.


Spell level one effects happen first, then resolve 2nd level, etc....

So its just been first Saturday of the month = Mage Wars game day in Copenhagen. 

"If the Challenged enemy attacks any other object, gain 1 Valor"

Is it enough that the Challenged enemy declares an attack or does dice need to be rolled?

Defenses, Block, Fumble etc.

At the end of Step 1: Declare Attack

"If you change your mind, or find you cannot make the attack,
you may cancel the attack action and choose a different
action instead. However, after this Step the attack action is
committed to, and if it is later canceled for any reason, you will
lose the action."

Once the attack sequence is past step 1 it is considered an attack

This is clearly covered in the Official Rules and Codex Supplement, if people want to give it a read. Zot is correct, the damage is untyped.

Ahh good deal, glad that intent was placed somewhere.

You have a double restriction.
1) You cannot attack anything but a guard.
2) You cannot attack a higher level creature.

Therefore you are out of targets you can attack and can do something else assuming you have no other restrictions, but the one thing you cannot do is attack a target in this zone

To clarify, there are no legal targets in the OP example.

I think you may be thinking of mandatory actions where, if more than one apply, you can choose which one to perform; a ranged attack or move toward Thorg for example.

Remember, target legality is only checked during the declare step of the attack. So if you divine intervention a creature with a guard marker after the attack is declared, the creature can ignore that guard for that sequence.

Also while on the subject of the cowardice "fear" effect, the entire ability is similarly checked during the declare attack step, so you cannot enchantment transfusion it after the attack has been declared and make the target illegal.