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Title: Ehren, Enduring Paladin opening strategies
Post by: Borg on August 29, 2016, 01:10:30 PM
I'm sure people will be coming up with a variety of ways to bring Ehren into play and heal him up asap.

Some thoughts about that,

A. Incantations

I don't like to bring him along using Incantations like Mend, Minor Heal or even Heal for that matter as
1- Their cost just adds to Ehren's cost
2- They feel like wasted SBP's, but most of all
3- They are rather unreliable

Example : using "Regenerate 2" two times ( with Regrowth ) and then going for a Mend can really backfire if you roll just 2 or less.
On average you should roll 3 and do the job ... but ... if you roll 2 or 1 that's two mana wasted, 1SBP wasted and probably even more damaging to your winning chances : 1 QC wasted.


B. Renewing Spring

Renewing Spring is a much better option ( 2 x Regrowth + 1 x Spring should do it on average ) but this also means your strategy would have to be built around the Renewing Spring as well imo, thus, a rather "static" strategy. If you just cast the Spring to heal Ehren and then abandon it, that's not optimal use of your resources.
Seems best suited for a Priestess build, I think.


C. The Malakai Priest opening

This one took me quite some time to figure out because I wanted to have

1- Ehren totally healed and ready to go in two rounds
2- No Healing Incantations used
3- Play nothing but quality spells which fit into the overall strategy
4- Improve Channeling and Actions in the process
5- Be able to stand up to R3 or even R2 aggression


Here goes


R1 19

QC Mana Crystal ( 1 zone up )
Move left
Battle Forge ( in your zone )

R2 16+1

Deploy Wispwillow Amulet
FC Guardian Angel
QC Defend

R3 10+1+1

Deploy Enchanter's Ring
FC Ehren 7 dam
QC Regrowth

R4 11+1+1

Upkeep : Regrowth 2
Deploy Asyran Robes
QC Hand of Bim Shalla ( in Starting Zone ) and heal Ehren 1
FD Bear Strength on Ehren

Ehren with 4 dam

R5 12+1+1

Upkeep : Regrowth 2 and move 1 dam to mage through Robes = at 1 dam
Deploy Leather Chausses
Bim Shalla Heal Ehren : 0 dam
QC FD Regrowth on Priest

Full action left
11 Mana left
Ehren at full Strength with Regrowth and FD Bear Strength
Guarding Angel
Priest with Aegis 1 and FD Regrowth
Battle Forge and Bim Shalla Active
3 more mana to come from Amulet.
White Cloak Knight Avenger possible next round

Comments are welcome. ;)
Title: Re: Ehren, Enduring Paladin opening strategies
Post by: Coshade on August 29, 2016, 01:53:55 PM
This sounds like a pretty good way to hit a timing with a potent force. Personally I've been leaning toward the new Holy Mage armor since it combos well with the HA ability. It might also be because I favor the 2 armor over the 1 aegis since the enchantment is inschool for holy mages to gain Aegis (can't remember the card name), while Rhino Hide is out of school.

We have a different method probably because I use a Temple instead of a Battle Forge. How I've been activating Ehren is by Lifelink and Bim shalla. Cassiel can cast Life Link and I cast Bim round 3 and if they choose to engage early, I consecrated ground to add another regenerate to the zone (so it could heal the remaining life on Ehren, but also starts healing you mage back up). I've also prepped Martyr's Restoration in the past when they try to super rush him because he's so intimidating.

But all around your method definitely rocks! How has it fared in games? I imagine once your GA dies it could become problematic action wise unless you transition into high equipment Priest.
Title: Re: Ehren, Enduring Paladin opening strategies
Post by: Puddnhead on August 29, 2016, 04:11:59 PM
This sounds like a pretty good way to hit a timing with a potent force. Personally I've been leaning toward the new Holy Mage armor since it combos well with the HA ability. It might also be because I favor the 2 armor over the 1 aegis since the enchantment is inschool for holy mages to gain Aegis (can't remember the card name), while Rhino Hide is out of school.

We have a different method probably because I use a Temple instead of a Battle Forge. How I've been activating Ehren is by Lifelink and Bim shalla. Cassiel can cast Life Link and I cast Bim round 3 and if they choose to engage early, I consecrated ground to add another regenerate to the zone (so it could heal the remaining life on Ehren, but also starts healing you mage back up). I've also prepped Martyr's Restoration in the past when they try to super rush him because he's so intimidating.

But all around your method definitely rocks! How has it fared in games? I imagine once your GA dies it could become problematic action wise unless you transition into high equipment Priest.

Hate to break it to you, Coshade, but Life Link is Magecast.  Although it is a great way to get some guaranteed healing on the old hate-magnet Ehren.

Also, I prefer Healing Charm and Temple of Bim-Shalla to heal up Ehren.  Cassiel can cast Healing Charm and with a Ring of Asyra you get 4 dice for 3 mana at exactly the right time as well as gain a life with your Priestess.

I would think the Regrowth would be better placed on the Mage and then Life Link heals Ehren.  I still think you get better positioning and better long term benefits from Cassiel and Ring of Asyra.  If you throw in some Disciples of Radiance you can get more mileage out of the incantations.
Title: Re: Ehren, Enduring Paladin opening strategies
Post by: Coshade on August 29, 2016, 04:32:10 PM
Ah yeah I forgot I use my mage for casting Life Link. Only done it like twice but it's very fun. I could see if you're using a Priestess that the Disciples would be a good choice with Healing Charm. As a main Priest player though I tend to avoid it. I used to have one but I think I replaced it with a Restore Life (I think that's the name of it?)
Title: Re: Ehren, Enduring Paladin opening strategies
Post by: farkas1 on August 29, 2016, 07:55:10 PM
Yea seems like a real effective way to get Ehren out.  I brought him out after having a temple of asyra and two asyran clerics.  I casted a minor heal luckily and maxed him out of health, keeping my clerics at by in case they needed to add some heals. Thinking about it tho it may have been better to just get the clerics out and start healing Ehren without the minor heal.  Either way I lucked out that game.

 He was a pain for the Wizard.  early on as I unleashed Ehren and 3 disciples of radiance wreaking havoc across the board. 

in the same game I one shot a devouring jelly with a temple of light.  It was awesome!!!
Title: Re: Ehren, Enduring Paladin opening strategies
Post by: Coshade on August 29, 2016, 08:10:39 PM
Yea seems like a real effective way to get Ehren out.  I brought him out after having a temple of asyra and two asyran clerics.  I casted a minor heal luckily and maxed him out of health, keeping my clerics at by in case they needed to add some heals. Thinking about it tho it may have been better to just get the clerics out and start healing Ehren without the minor heal.  Either way I lucked out that game.

 He was a pain for the Wizard.  early on as I unleashed Ehren and 3 disciples of radiance wreaking havoc across the board. 

in the same game I one shot a devouring jelly with a temple of light.  It was awesome!!!

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Title: Re: Ehren, Enduring Paladin opening strategies
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Title: Re: Ehren, Enduring Paladin opening strategies
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Title: Re: Ehren, Enduring Paladin opening strategies
Post by: Biblofilter on August 30, 2016, 12:20:48 AM
I never really did my homework in regard to Ehren.

From the Priest book i build while i was "on the road" based on the German Priestess build "Westward Crusade" so no spawnpoint.

R1 19

        Ehren
QC   Regrowth (reveal on Ehren)

(5 damage on Ehren)

R2 18

       Lowland Unicorn (HA)
QC   Hand of Bim-Shalla

(1 damage on Ehren)

R3  13

using HoB Ehren is ready from round 3.

Mana might be a problem from here on.

Asyrian Cleric as HA in round 2 should be just as good.




Title: Re: Ehren, Enduring Paladin opening strategies
Post by: bigfatchef on August 30, 2016, 03:54:49 AM
I have a book starting
1) 19 : qc Temple (10) , Ehren (5) = 4
2) 13+1 : deploy Broken Wing Angel (6) , cleric or mana crystal (5) , FD ench (2) = 1
3) 10+1 or 11+1 : deploy broken wing angel, .....

Deploying a broken wing angel heals ehren 3 dice. After 2 angels he is possibly ready. Depending on your strategie and how quick you need him you can heal one more die from a cleric if summoned round2. Or invest in a longer game with a crystal and summon a cleric round 3. Or drop one if both for hand of bim shala.

In all ways ehren is ready at least round 4 with a small army supporting him and saving the temple.
Title: Re: Ehren, Enduring Paladin opening strategies
Post by: Mystery on August 30, 2016, 06:28:11 AM
Honestly everything that has no permanent effect (like regrowth, renewing spring) is not worth it, then just cast a KoW beforehand instead. Ehren brings not that much to the Table as the Warlock Demon which has Elusive and costs a non-Mana ressource.
Title: Re: Ehren, Enduring Paladin opening strategies
Post by: Halewijn on August 30, 2016, 07:32:09 AM
Honestly everything that has no permanent effect (like regrowth, renewing spring) is not worth it, then just cast a KoW beforehand instead. Ehren brings not that much to the Table as the Warlock Demon which has Elusive and costs a non-Mana ressource.

Agreed that's why I think this is one of the only cards that is actually much better in Arena than Academy!
In academy, you will probably have to heal him with "one time use"-spells anyway. In arena, there are many ways to heal him with permanent effects. (Regrowth, Life link, Hand of Bim shalla, Renewing spring, ...)

My Ehren opening in academy:
T1: Ehren + faith healer staff
T2: Broken wing angel (3 dice) + mend (3 dice) (During upkeep, use the healer staff if necesarry for 1 dice)

Mend: 1 spellbookpoint, 2 mana
Broken wing angel: 2 mana for the heal, 4 mana for the creature
Faith healer staff: 1 mana for the heal

In total you have a weaker creature (Angel), have spend 5 extra mana on Ehren (10 mana total) and spend 1 spellbookpoint on him (mend)

Not bad, not great.
Title: Re: Ehren, Enduring Paladin opening strategies
Post by: Coshade on August 30, 2016, 08:10:10 AM
I have a book starting
1) 19 : qc Temple (10) , Ehren (5) = 4
2) 13+1 : deploy Broken Wing Angel (6) , cleric or mana crystal (5) , FD ench (2) = 1
3) 10+1 or 11+1 : deploy broken wing angel, .....

Deploying a broken wing angel heals ehren 3 dice. After 2 angels he is possibly ready. Depending on your strategie and how quick you need him you can heal one more die from a cleric if summoned round2. Or invest in a longer game with a crystal and summon a cleric round 3. Or drop one if both for hand of bim shala.

In all ways ehren is ready at least round 4 with a small army supporting him and saving the temple.

Just so you know - you need 2 mana on the temple to deploy from the temple.
Title: Re: Ehren, Enduring Paladin opening strategies
Post by: iNano78 on August 30, 2016, 08:45:28 AM
In an Academy match, my spouse led with Ehren + Mend, rolled 5 with her Mend, then Broken Wing Angel on round 2 did the job. But that's above average. Of course, having another Mend in hand on turn 2 pretty much guarantees it, if you don't mind putting that many actions, sbps and mana into a fully-equipped Ehren + BW Angel.

If you have promos, then following Ehren with a couple of Messengers of Bim-Shalla is pretty effective. There is evidence that Messenger of Bim-Shalla will be released in Lost Grimoires v1 (http://forum.arcanewonders.com/index.php?topic=16881.msg70299#msg70299).
Title: Re: Ehren, Enduring Paladin opening strategies
Post by: Brian VanAlstyne on August 30, 2016, 04:30:32 PM
Cassiel with a minor heal does wonders too since you're not technically using your own mana if you get her out a round or two before Ehren. Plus if you get her out with a temple, while she's building mana during upkeep, she can pray to the temple to help build mana there as well.
Title: Re: Ehren, Enduring Paladin opening strategies
Post by: bigfatchef on August 30, 2016, 05:26:39 PM
I have a book starting
1) 19 : qc Temple (10) , Ehren (5) = 4
2) 13+1 : deploy Broken Wing Angel (6) , cleric or mana crystal (5) , FD ench (2) = 1
3) 10+1 or 11+1 : deploy broken wing angel, .....

Deploying a broken wing angel heals ehren 3 dice. After 2 angels he is possibly ready. Depending on your strategie and how quick you need him you can heal one more die from a cleric if summoned round2. Or invest in a longer game with a crystal and summon a cleric round 3. Or drop one if both for hand of bim shala.

In all ways ehren is ready at least round 4 with a small army supporting him and saving the temple.

Just so you know - you need 2 mana on the temple to deploy from the temple.
You got me! It has been a while since I played the book and I forgot about this part :)
But you can switch and tweak this opening till it works out, cause all used cards are about the same price. Still a good reminder!

There are definately many ways to heal him. I think it is important to not misuse actions for that. Even if mana total seems cheap all mage actions should be used for the main setup. So healing side effects are what you are looking for
Title: Re: Ehren, Enduring Paladin opening strategies
Post by: Coshade on August 31, 2016, 04:36:07 AM
Absolutely! I've been using the Messenger of Bim Shalla as a Holy Avenger to heal Ehren sometimes. It's sweet.
Title: Re: Ehren, Enduring Paladin opening strategies
Post by: Mystery on August 31, 2016, 10:17:08 AM
Absolutely! I've been using the Messenger of Bim Shalla as a Holy Avenger to heal Ehren sometimes. It's sweet.

and a waste of resources in a way. Bim shalla has included its healing ability in the mana cost and ehren has included its dmg in the mana cost by doing this you end up having normal creatures (one weaker than mana cost, one stronger), so why not cast KoW, Guardian, Gray Angel, White cloak and so on dircetly.

If you use for example regrowth you end up with a Ehren that is better as he has still regenerate 2.
Title: Re: Ehren, Enduring Paladin opening strategies
Post by: iNano78 on August 31, 2016, 10:41:34 AM
Absolutely! I've been using the Messenger of Bim Shalla as a Holy Avenger to heal Ehren sometimes. It's sweet.

and a waste of resources in a way. Bim shalla has included its healing ability in the mana cost and ehren has included its dmg in the mana cost by doing this you end up having normal creatures (one weaker than mana cost, one stronger), so why not cast KoW, Guardian, Gray Angel, White cloak and so on dircetly.

If you use for example regrowth you end up with a Ehren that is better as he has still regenerate 2.

Messenger of Bim-Shalla is decent for 9 mana even without the healing - e.g. Minor creature with Flying, Aegis, 7 life, bonuses against Incorporeal and Nonliving (and both; e.g. 4 dice Ethereal against Incorporeal + Nonliving creatures).  Probably worth 7-8 mana anyway, so you're only paying about a 1-2 mana premium for 4 dice of healing for Ehren. And having a creature (rather than an Incantation or Enchantment) is that in a pinch, the Messenger (or Broken Wing Angel) makes for a decent Guard.

The problem with Regrowth alone is Ehren may never get to activate so long as your opponent can keep pinging him for a couple of damage (e.g. through DoT or keeping him in check with a cheap creature).

But yes, you can always question whether or not you'd be ahead just casting a Knight of Westlock in the first place.

Also, the promo card Debilitate would be a brutal counter to Ehren if/when it becomes official.
(Debilitate costs 6 mana and a quickcast, which would generally be much less than the opponent's investment in Ehren)

Oh, and Deathlock kind of ruins your plans with Erhen, too.  In that case, at least he can Guard to draw attacks away from targets that matter. Sucks if you've already put points into healing him though (e.g. revealed your Regrowth and summoned other healing effects).

*edit* I apologize that I've said all this before. (http://forum.arcanewonders.com/index.php?topic=16822.msg70326#msg70326)
Title: Re: Ehren, Enduring Paladin opening strategies
Post by: Puddnhead on August 31, 2016, 10:51:32 AM
Honestly, the main use I've found for Ehren is actually not letting him get fully healed--but getting him close.  He draws so much hate from your enemy that it's like having super-vigilance.  The threat of that Melee +4 blinds them into thinking that "he must die now!".  I'm more than happy to have Cassiel keep Ehren tanking the hate while I do other things that actually win me the game.
Title: Re: Ehren, Enduring Paladin opening strategies
Post by: Biblofilter on August 31, 2016, 11:21:34 AM
One of those days someone is going to run into an opponent that cast the creature they wanted to cast.



Title: Re: Ehren, Enduring Paladin opening strategies
Post by: Puddnhead on August 31, 2016, 11:28:54 AM
Absolutely!  In a mirror match I am going to go first if I need a Legendary creature for my build.

Also, Deathlock doesn't bother me after PvS.  Martyr's Restoration gets around Finite Life and you can actually reveal Healing Charm during the counterspell step of the Deathlock cast and get the 4 dice healing which is at least enough healing to make Martyr's Restoration finish the job if you really need Ehren healed.
Title: Re: Ehren, Enduring Paladin opening strategies
Post by: Borg on August 31, 2016, 11:49:52 AM
3- Play nothing but quality spells which fit into the overall strategy

Forgive me for quoting myself, ;) but that point is really what it's all about in getting the most out of Ehren.

If you start including spells specifically designed to heal Ehren, then you're investing extra sbp's and mana and you lose the advantage he can give you. In that case you might as well play KoW instead.

If your Strategy however includes spells which can make Ehren damage free in the process then you've gained something out of him.
Regrowth is an excellent enchantment to have on a creature, that's not a waste, Hand of Bim Shalla has many uses and the Asyran Robes are actually a good piece of armor in this strategy.

Between Regrowth, HoBS and the Robes you can heal a creature ( Ehren, HA, KoW ) of 4 damage without taking any actions for it.
The Guarding Angel can even heal 6 damage per round this way.
Those are things to consider imo.
Title: Re: Ehren, Enduring Paladin opening strategies
Post by: Borg on August 31, 2016, 11:58:22 AM
One of those days someone is going to run into an opponent that cast the creature they wanted to cast.

Obviously.

Playing a mirror match and wanting to bring out a Legendary creature, you're looking for Initiative.
Beastmaster may want to start with Cervere, Priest(ess) with Ehren, Warlock with the Meghedden.
If you don't have ini, don't prep these, wait till round two ( or later - chances are your opponent is not going to play that card anyway otherwise he probably wouldn't have taken the risk ... or would he ?? :)
Title: Re: Ehren, Enduring Paladin opening strategies
Post by: Puddnhead on August 31, 2016, 01:18:54 PM
3- Play nothing but quality spells which fit into the overall strategy

Forgive me for quoting myself, ;) but that point is really what it's all about in getting the most out of Ehren.

If you start including spells specifically designed to heal Ehren, then you're investing extra sbp's and mana and you lose the advantage he can give you. In that case you might as well play KoW instead.

If your Strategy however includes spells which can make Ehren damage free in the process then you've gained something out of him.
Regrowth is an excellent enchantment to have on a creature, that's not a waste, Hand of Bim Shalla has many uses and the Asyran Robes are actually a good piece of armor in this strategy.

Between Regrowth, HoBS and the Robes you can heal a creature ( Ehren, HA, KoW ) of 4 damage without taking any actions for it.
The Guarding Angel can even heal 6 damage per round this way.
Those are things to consider imo.

I would prefer to put Life Link on Ehren and the Regrowth on my Mage.  I suppose you could consider that a "waste" of sbps since I'm using a different card to heal Ehren, but the same can be said of the first regrowth.

HoBS is of course helpful to almost any book, but especially a new and improved Temple Priestess that runs Metatron.
Title: Re: Ehren, Enduring Paladin opening strategies
Post by: Borg on August 31, 2016, 02:59:44 PM
I would prefer to put Life Link on Ehren and the Regrowth on my Mage. 

Obviously Life Link is a good choice, I just googled the card up as I didn't know it.

I think we really should make a distinction here between "official" cards and "promo's"
When I build a book I never use nor consider promos as I prefer to play with cards that have been "officially" released. Also PvS is not out yet either ( afaik) so I don't consider cards from that set either (yet).

So, we may be discussing the same subject but with a different card set in mind ....
Title: Re: Ehren, Enduring Paladin opening strategies
Post by: Puddnhead on August 31, 2016, 03:03:27 PM
I would prefer to put Life Link on Ehren and the Regrowth on my Mage. 

Obviously Life Link is a good choice, I just googled the card up as I didn't know it.

I think we really should make a distinction here between "official" cards and "promo's"
When I build a book I never use nor consider promos as I prefer to play with cards that have been "officially" released. Also PvS is not out yet either ( afaik) so I don't consider cards from that set either (yet).

So, we may be discussing the same subject but with a different card set in mind ....

Okay, I didn't realize we weren't including PvS as of yet.  Life Link is in PvS and that's why I included it.
Title: Re: Ehren, Enduring Paladin opening strategies
Post by: iNano78 on August 31, 2016, 03:22:12 PM
I would prefer to put Life Link on Ehren and the Regrowth on my Mage.  I suppose you could consider that a "waste" of sbps since I'm using a different card to heal Ehren, but the same can be said of the first regrowth.

HoBS is of course helpful to almost any book, but especially a new and improved Temple Priestess that runs Metatron.

I think I like this best (post PvsS and Lost Grimoire v1):

Turn 1: Ehren + Lifelink (on Ehren); if Priestess, gain 1 Life (for revealing Lifelink).
Turn 2: Messenger of Bim-Shalla (healing Ehren) + Regrowth (on mage); if Priest, make Messenger your Holy Avenger

This nearly guarantees a fully healed Ehren going into turn 3, and he'll be tough to take out since he can effectively regen 3 each upkeep.
Title: Re: Ehren, Enduring Paladin opening strategies
Post by: Sailor Vulcan on August 31, 2016, 06:12:47 PM

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Title: Re: Ehren, Enduring Paladin opening strategies
Post by: Borg on September 01, 2016, 01:17:44 AM
Life Link is in PvS and that's why I included it.

OK, that's good to hear. It will go straight in when I get it then ;)

---------------------------------------

( Back from work ) I've been taking a closer look at Lifelink and I'm not so sure it's preferable over a Regrowth all the time.

Lifelink simply transfers damage from one creature to another but does not give you a net-healing
while Regrowth actually removes damage, without transferring it to another creature.

Let's compare :

Lifelink+Regrowth vs Regrowth+Regrowth
                3 sbp's vs 4sbp's
              10 mana vs 11 mana

The difference is just 1 sbp and 1 mana, a difference alright but minimal
but L+R can heal only 2 damage net per round while R+R can heal up to 4 damage per round
That's 1 sbp + 1 mana for an extra 2 healing per round.
That's very much worth it imo.

I can still see Lifelink be the better choice for a non-combat, operating-from-the-back-Mage but if you want your Mage to engage with the enemy, like the Priest, transferring an extra three damage on him does not strike me as a good tactic.
The opponent doesn't even have to worry about the Lifelink, just take out the Regrowth on the Mage and he's in trouble.
So, for the Priest, I still think the Regrowth is preferable on Ehren.

As a side note, a "static" strategy might also consider [mwcard=MW1J15] Mohktari, Great Tree of Life[/mwcard]
One action, Regenerate 2 for all.
No Zone Exclusive on this Tree is also a big plus imo.
Title: Re: Ehren, Enduring Paladin opening strategies
Post by: Borg on September 01, 2016, 12:33:58 PM
Personally I've been leaning toward the new Holy Mage armor since it combos well with the HA ability.

Could you give us a link to a picture of that armor here, Coshade, my googlesearch turned up empty  :-[

How has it fared in games? I imagine once your GA dies it could become problematic action wise unless you transition into high equipment Priest.

It's a new book I'm putting together and I haven't had the opportunity to play it yet.
This WE should change that.
I'll post it in Spellbook design for reference and see how it develops.

Equipment does indeed play a major role with at least 1 card for every slot ( except head )

Here's the link
http://forum.arcanewonders.com/index.php?topic=17197.0
Title: Re: Ehren, Enduring Paladin opening strategies
Post by: bigfatchef on September 04, 2016, 02:40:25 AM
Okay, I didn't realize we weren't including PvS as of yet.  Life Link is in PvS and that's why I included it.
It really is a bit annoying that talking about cards some of us will not see until around end of this year is getting the new standart. Don't take that personal puddn, I would simply be happy to share thoughts.
If the carddatabase would have those included even before their official release i would not see any problem, but if we need to search google for good luck pics ... No fun at all.
Title: Re: Ehren, Enduring Paladin opening strategies
Post by: Borg on September 04, 2016, 04:10:53 AM
Okay, I didn't realize we weren't including PvS as of yet.  Life Link is in PvS and that's why I included it.
It really is a bit annoying that talking about cards some of us will not see until around end of this year is getting the new standart. Don't take that personal puddn, I would simply be happy to share thoughts.
If the carddatabase would have those included even before their official release i would not see any problem, but if we need to search google for good luck pics ... No fun at all.

I'd like to say I kind of share bigfatchef's sentiment.

I'd love to include PvS cards in my books but we will probably be closing in on newyear when PvS finally gets here.

In the meantime those cards pretty much become the standard with those who already have them and as a result the player base gets even more divided ( Domination, Academy, and Arena with two speeds, those in the US and the rest :( ) It's hard to keep up techwise when you're competing with different card bases.
First there were the Promo's who unbalanced the game for those not having them, now there's an entire expansion we won't get until 3-4 months after the others. No, not funny at all.
Title: Re: Ehren, Enduring Paladin opening strategies
Post by: Biblofilter on September 04, 2016, 05:31:54 AM
Okay, I didn't realize we weren't including PvS as of yet.  Life Link is in PvS and that's why I included it.
It really is a bit annoying that talking about cards some of us will not see until around end of this year is getting the new standart. Don't take that personal puddn, I would simply be happy to share thoughts.
If the carddatabase would have those included even before their official release i would not see any problem, but if we need to search google for good luck pics ... No fun at all.



I'd like to say I kind of share bigfatchef's sentiment.

I'd love to include PvS cards in my books but we will probably be closing in on newyear when PvS finally gets here.

In the meantime those cards pretty much become the standard with those who already have them and as a result the player base gets even more divided ( Domination, Academy, and Arena with two speeds, those in the US and the rest :( ) It's hard to keep up techwise when you're competing with different card bases.
First there were the Promo's who unbalanced the game for those not having them, now there's an entire expansion we won't get until 3-4 months after the others. No, not funny at all.

German community seems real strong even if they are way behind everybody else (lets not speak about France)¨

OCTGN is a world of itself, currently behind with PvS etc.

I know we are behind in Europe, but Theres a Siren in Berlin and Theres plenty of Paladins and Siren in Copenhagen.

In fact you could go to Copenhagen and buy a copy of PvS from me. I have 4 left atm, and if i get my luggage back or some of that it could be 5 more copies.

Besides if you enter the Viking-Con you could win a Paladin or Siren Spellbook or a Warlord, Priest, Priestess or other mage which will contain some of the new cards*

I know its a flight trip, but rather than go to Essen it should be an option for some?

I hope to go back to USA real soon, and i will try to bring 40 kgs Mage Wars goddies back each time. Besides i plan to visit Germany regularly real soon (and will gladly bring some mw stuff)

* 70 spellbooks and 3 Regrowths in each, thats a lot more Regrowths than i have. There will be proxies in those books, cant be helped.
Title: Re: Ehren, Enduring Paladin opening strategies
Post by: bigfatchef on September 04, 2016, 06:16:14 AM
Okay, I didn't realize we weren't including PvS as of yet.  Life Link is in PvS and that's why I included it.
It really is a bit annoying that talking about cards some of us will not see until around end of this year is getting the new standart. Don't take that personal puddn, I would simply be happy to share thoughts.
If the carddatabase would have those included even before their official release i would not see any problem, but if we need to search google for good luck pics ... No fun at all.



I'd like to say I kind of share bigfatchef's sentiment.

I'd love to include PvS cards in my books but we will probably be closing in on newyear when PvS finally gets here.

In the meantime those cards pretty much become the standard with those who already have them and as a result the player base gets even more divided ( Domination, Academy, and Arena with two speeds, those in the US and the rest :( ) It's hard to keep up techwise when you're competing with different card bases.
First there were the Promo's who unbalanced the game for those not having them, now there's an entire expansion we won't get until 3-4 months after the others. No, not funny at all.

German community seems real strong even if they are way behind everybody else (lets not speak about France)¨

OCTGN is a world of itself, currently behind with PvS etc.

I know we are behind in Europe, but Theres a Siren in Berlin and Theres plenty of Paladins and Siren in Copenhagen.

In fact you could go to Copenhagen and buy a copy of PvS from me. I have 4 left atm, and if i get my luggage back or some of that it could be 5 more copies.

Besides if you enter the Viking-Con you could win a Paladin or Siren Spellbook or a Warlord, Priest, Priestess or other mage which will contain some of the new cards*

I know its a flight trip, but rather than go to Essen it should be an option for some?

I hope to go back to USA real soon, and i will try to bring 40 kgs Mage Wars goddies back each time. Besides i plan to visit Germany regularly real soon (and will gladly bring some mw stuff)

* 70 spellbooks and 3 Regrowths in each, thats a lot more Regrowths than i have. There will be proxies in those books, cant be helped.
Germany was getting both academy warlock and priestess about same time as usa via pre-order AW website. So I don't see gernany way behind. In fact PvS is not out in the rest of the world as well. As far as I know it is only accessible to a hand full visitors if gencon. And where ever they bring it. Thanks to biblo it is in coppenhagen now. Thanks for the invite biblo! But the point is, that it isn't in stores nowhere and the cards are not published in a organized way (like sbb), thus cards from PvS should not be treated as a standart cards. Talk like that should take place at a plaster-chat. Or this forum should be officially be titled so.

To the real topic:
- Ehren as a strategic center of hate is perfect use.
- Regrowth mage and lifelink regens only 2 total and is vulnerable. No good plan in my eyes. Better regrowth and enchantment transfusion if he dies too quick anyways. Regrowth transfused to mage is a good backdoor anyway.
- if a spring or mohktari are useful for the whole strategie they are the best option for the long run.