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I do strongly believe that Mage Wars is the most successful Arcane Wonders product to date.

Bear in mind that Sheriff of Nottingham is stocked in major bookstores and MW isn't.

Guys you realise at this point we have completely derailed the OP and are now discussing a game point that is set in stone? The SBP of mages is not going to change at this point. At best we are considering oiling the hinges of a rusted open door where the horse has bolted, died of old age, and been made into glue.

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I tend to put atleast a single heal in all my books. Even at triple points cost.

A perfect illustration of my point that 120 starting sbp's is way too much.

I would still find room for it at 80 points in every book, a single heal can turn the tide of the match from a loss and make it into a win. Lower SBP would not solve this problem, it would change the game. If anything it would make these types of plays/choices more significant. Heal is a perfect example as it lengthens the game, as long as you roll average and above. If anything I would still create my books the way I do now however I would more strongly to the Novice cards like Disarm, or even lower level cards which fill a more niche role, like Drop Weapon, instead. The standard toolbox would never go away. It is not lazy book building, it is covering key areas that are common problems with every book.

I want a teleport and a force push for positional control (Eg. removing the base builder from his favourable zone). I want heal and regrowth for the times in the match I am not the beatdown. Dispel and other removal have obvious places. This is not justification to include my favourite cards, these are staples for every book as they all face common problems. I am sorry but I will continue preaching this as gospel because it is fact. I will include these at 120/100/80 points.

If anything at double figures we run the risk of having auto-building books, as a single strategy will emerge as optimal for each mage, with a toolbox.

ah yes sorry. My phone, for some reason, had not shown me all posts so it was ambiguous at the time. Hence the post.

I do not see this as a bad thing. Every book boils down to a toolbox of winning. The main goal is to win or you might as well play something else. So this boils down into offensive, defensive, and solutions to specific problems. The problem with a lack of variety is because the entire 6 years of card development fits inside a single block of mtg. So either we have constant releases and get lots of variety or we have slow burn development and everything feels the same at a basic level.

I think the game definitely needs more, and some more complex ones. It's stagnant.

Grapple was a good example, whilst Trample was a good idea badly implemented. But definitely more traits - happily every expansion has them.

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Swooping: a flying creature with swooping may leave the arena as a full turn action. Leave the creature where it is and place a swooping counter on it. This creature cannot be targeted by spells or attacks. Next turn the controlling mage may pay 2 mana per zone and this creature moves as a teleport. This creature may gain bonuses, as if it had moved into this zone.