Well, closer to 10k than 1k, anyway, as an order of magnitude estimate. I do wonder what percent of Mage Wars owners are on BGG. 50% sounds much too high to me, but I'm not in a good position to judge.

Yeah, it'd be interesting to see a couple of industry sales figures for particular games to use as a benchmark estimate of BGG to rest of world ownership.  Say of a older historically popular game such as Settlers, and a couple of newer semi popular games like Carc, Dominion, Monopoly

What I didn't really get was the discussion - I don't really care if its done as part of an expansion or not.  I can get that once the print sheets are setup, they  don't want to change it. 

But saying can't be done doesn't seem to make sense. How are promo cards done?   Perhaps a minimum card set is more like 5 or 10, but that would still be a different discussion.

Essentially people are asking for a set of promo cards that are based on the errata'd ToL, HoB and Battle Fury.  If AW can produce them as singles for Dice Tower, why can't they produce them for us?  Feck it, heard of kickstarter?

Besides, this is all kinda off topic... every single frakin post, even my own!  

What I actually wanted to know was:

I assume that new print runs of boxes that have the TOL in them now, like the base game, and spell tombs will be updated to the new wording and if this will be marked on the box somehow.

The latter part is probably the main point, although it's redundant if there isn't a print run planned for like 2 years.

Your post does suggest  a reluctance to alter print sheets to accommodate the errata.  If AW continue to get  incorrect cards printed... now that would be annoying!

Quote from: Moonglow on July 31, 2013, 01:43:10 PM

I must admit I don't really get the arguments about the limits on cards in the expansion.

Cards are printed in large sheets. The set size is determined by the number of cards that can fit on a set number of sheets.

Hi, it doesn't seem like I'm framing my question very well.

I'm not asking whether AW is going to print a bucket load of cards. I'm asking whether new print runs of boxes that have the TOL in them now, like the base game, and spell tombs will be updated to the new wording and if this will be marked on the box somehow.

The latter part is probably the main point, although it's redundant if there isn't a print run planned for like 2 years.

I must admit I don't really get the arguments about the limits on cards in the expansion. I don't think people are asking for more cards in the expansions. Or to replace cards. Just when you go to the printer you say, when you print these 100k cards for us, wrap and box them, we also want 500 or 1000 of each of these, unbundled.

Small card runs are obviously possible, they're being done as part of the foil releases and Dice tower promos. Most other companies seem to be able to get promo items printed. You've done it.. Why can't you do it for these cards?  Sure, you're busy, maybe you don't want to do it right now. But it seems strange to be suggesting it can't be done.

It feels more like the responses are saying we don't want to spend any money fixing this. And I don't understand why, when we'll  buy them off you. Preferably at cost, and probably not without the odd complaint. But we'd buy them.

When multiple conditions affect a creature in the upkeep phase the owner decides the order of resolution. Check page 7 under upkeep phase. When it gets messy, the player with initiative decides. But yours sounds a straight decision for the creature owner.

Depends what you mean by fit.  Its esentially where they are printing the cards as part of a set, they'll use the new wording (see below).  My question is more about reprints of the existing expansions I guess.

"...John is correct that we are planning revised wordings of these cards for a release next year.  We would have to cut cards from Druid vs Necro, to fit in these reprints.  Though we do have mages down the road who it makes far more sense would use these cards.  We decided to work them into a set where they would also fit thematically..."

All I can do is direct you here, where they discuss it slightly.

http://forum.arcanewonders.com/index.php?topic=12796.0

It was said that they will be reprinted for a new set where they fit, however that wasn't planned until roughly 2014. If they will change the core set printing to modify it however, I do not know.

I kinda agree that it's a little out sleeving this game. But a friends copy which we've been playing, mine is still in transit (I've only sleeved the FM vs W set so far)  is looking a little worn already. Not sure if it's the sliding the cards around the board or just his constant thumbing through them. I'm not a compulsive sleever,  but I do like the look of sleeves on this game.

Typically I love to sleeve cards at all turns. However I really like the books, and while I know there is room to sleeve them in the books I just feel it doesnt require it. There is no shuffling, or constant strain on the cards and they are high quality. Thats just my 1&1/2 cents on the subject

Curious how many will ditch the temple build based around the ToL night also.  Its still good, but a lot more mana drain than it used to be... I guess along those lines, how many people are just ignoring the errata for home play?

Just watching the Origins demo on BGG.  In talking about the green and white spellbooks Brian mentions Druid, Shaman and Enchantress.  Druids on the schedule,  Shaman and Enchantress could be your missing one (+1?).  Shaman might be a bit close to the beastmaster through, depending how they conceptualise it. 

so just looking at the list of mages, I noticed its an odd number.  Being that it seems mages are released in pairs we need 1 more mage on that list-

just as an example

druid/necro
illusionist/Paladin
Sorcerer / ??

who is it!