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Mage Wars => General Discussion => Topic started by: Halewijn on March 20, 2016, 05:24:02 AM
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It seems AW wants to release the academy mages in the same order as the mages in arena, but this will make the gap of development even bigger. Wouldn't it be better to bring them out in the reversed order? 3/4 of the core mages have an alternate mage and the wizard has wizard's tower, [mwcard=MWSTX1CKC08]Gargoyle Sentry[/mwcard], [mwcard=MWSTX1CKC05]Screech Harpy[/mwcard], [mwcard=DNC03]Devouring Jelly[/mwcard] and more elemental spells in expansions. All of these are getting an academy mage. At the same time, the druid, forcemaster and probably also the paladin and Siren still are a bit underdeveloped compared to the others. (I leave out the necromancer because I feel he has a lot of content already)
Stupid comparison:
- The beastmaster can summon 19 animals from arena, 12 animals from academy and OCTGN has another 5 promo animals. Giving a total number of 31+5
- The druid can summon 5 plants creatures. (+2 attacking conjurations)
I'm not saying this number should be almost equal but the difference is very big.
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They want to release the 4 main Mage, then the Forcemaster and Warlord both still need some love. So, its ok so far. Druid doesn't need any love. It is a very strong mage. Samething for Necromancer.
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Agreed, she's véry strong, but the number of "druid" cards if still fairly limited. Right now she uses a lot of spells from the beastmasters. Both the enchantments and creatures.
I kinda think the warlord has gotten a huge boost with Forged in Fire. The weak spot of the warlords are their weak battle orders and the veteran ability, but these won't get better with extra cards. The war creatures, conjurations and equipment cards are very good. The command spells are ok.
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It seems AW wants to release the academy mages in the same order as the mages in arena, but this will make the gap of development even bigger. Wouldn't it be better to bring them out in the reversed order? 3/4 of the core mages have an alternate mage and the wizard has wizard's tower, [mwcard=MWSTX1CKC08]Gargoyle Sentry[/mwcard], [mwcard=MWSTX1CKC05]Screech Harpy[/mwcard], [mwcard=DNC03]Devouring Jelly[/mwcard] and more elemental spells in expansions. All of these are getting an academy mage. At the same time, the druid, forcemaster and probably also the paladin and Siren still are a bit underdeveloped compared to the others. (I leave out the necromancer because I feel he has a lot of content already)
Stupid comparison:
- The beastmaster can summon 19 animals from arena, 12 animals from academy and OCTGN has another 5 promo animals. Giving a total number of 31+5
- The druid can summon 5 plants creatures. (+2 attacking conjurations)
I'm not saying this number should be almost equal but the difference is very big.
I don't think there will be more than one version of each Mage in Academy. The Academy mages have different training than either the original Arena mages or the alternate Arena mages. I don't see the Academy beastmaster as a counterpart to the Straywood Bm any more than the Johktari Bm. And imagine if there were four different versions of the beastmaster, two in Arena and two in Academy! That would get confusing and annoying really fast.
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I just meant that the academy versions support the arena mages and right now, many of the mages that already have alternate versions get the academy mage sooner.
We have 3 beastmasters now and 1 forcemaster. Since the time between expansions can be long, why not releasing an academy mage first for the least-supported arena mage?
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I think this is a valid concern however I do think someone mentioned this on either arcane duels or on Mage cast episode. What I remember is that they said they would release the four core mages from arena into academy, than released out of order, with the exception of maybe the forcemaster.
Any way they do release them, I do agree they should release based on need to expand the pool for each Mage and school. Forcemaster obviously needs more cards. Followed by Warlord, Druid, and necromancer. I do think based on how big the nature school is already the Druid may be pushed back because of the perceived strength of certain mages.
Let's just hope all the academy mages will be released by the end of next year!!!!
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Let's just hope all the academy mages will be released by the end of next year!!!!
N-e-x-t -y-e-a-r-?
THIS MONTH !
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The Priestess and Warlock are being manufactured, and we're starting work on the next two mages. Just to give you some idea of where we're at.
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The Priestess and Warlock are being manufactured, and we're starting work on the next two mages. Just to give you some idea of where we're at.
And those mages are?
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euh... arena needs new cards too!!!
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euh... arena needs new cards too!!!
I'm working on the Arena cards. We have a separate designer working on the next two Academy Mages. No, I'm not going to spoil them. But I'm sure we'll have more on them soon.
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euh... arena needs new cards too!!!
I'm working on the Arena cards. We have a separate designer working on the next two Academy Mages. No, I'm not going to spoil them. But I'm sure we'll have more on them soon.
i don't like to play two times the same spellbook... without new cards, my ideas become more and more crazy... and loosing...
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I totally understand. I'm hoping that PVS will give you a lot to work with! I'm very excited about it.
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A Canadian online retailer has more info on Academy Priestess, Warlock, and Lost Grimoire 1:
http://www.greatboardgames.ca/mage-wars-forcemaster-vs-warlord-5601.html (http://www.greatboardgames.ca/mage-wars-forcemaster-vs-warlord-5601.html)
http://www.greatboardgames.ca/mage-wars-forcemaster-vs-warlord-5602.html (http://www.greatboardgames.ca/mage-wars-forcemaster-vs-warlord-5602.html)
http://www.greatboardgames.ca/mage-wars-forcemaster-vs-warlord-5603.html (http://www.greatboardgames.ca/mage-wars-forcemaster-vs-warlord-5603.html)
Of note, all have an ETA of May 27, 2016. The Academy expansions each come with 72 cards and tokens (presumably burn, etc). And the Grimoire includes 108 spells.
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I wonder though, will there be Academy sized spellbook packs or something? It seems these mage expansions for Academy don't include a 40-pocket sized spell book with designs to match the theme of the mage. Far as it looks, there is only going to be the core set's Beastmaster and Wizard's books to use.
Sure, we could use spare Arena spellbooks, but those are huge 80 pocket books. Wasted space compared to the Academy sized books.
Would love more of the Academy 40-pocket design options in spellbooks sometime.
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Great FIND!
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Not sure if it's just a copy & paste error from the Academy expansions, but the Grimoire description claims it's compatible with either Arena or Academy:
"NOTE: THIS EXPANSION REQUIRES EITHER MAGE WARS ACADEMY OR MAGE WARS ARENA. IT IS NOT A STAND-ALONE PRODUCT."
If true, that would imply some of the existing promos might become compatible with Academy, and there won't be any conjurations in Grimoire - vanquishing hopes of a legal (and presumably errata'd version) of Ballista, among others (Wall of Poison Gas, Hidden Tunnels, etc).
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Not sure if it's just a copy & paste error from the Academy expansions, but the Grimoire description claims it's compatible with either Arena or Academy:
"NOTE: THIS EXPANSION REQUIRES EITHER MAGE WARS ACADEMY OR MAGE WARS ARENA. IT IS NOT A STAND-ALONE PRODUCT."
If true, that would imply some of the existing promos might become compatible with Academy, and there won't be any conjurations in Grimoire - vanquishing hopes of a legal (and presumably errata'd version) of Ballista, among others (Wall of Poison Gas, Hidden Tunnels, etc).
was thinking the same thing. Not only that but MOST cards simply seem too powerful for academy or have no place there.
Some other examples:
- Asto Vidatu
- bloodwave greatbow
- dragonclaw wolverine
- dwarf krieghammer
- fire elemental
- vorpal blade
-...
Only a few would actually fit in academy.
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Not sure if it's just a copy & paste error from the Academy expansions, but the Grimoire description claims it's compatible with either Arena or Academy:
"NOTE: THIS EXPANSION REQUIRES EITHER MAGE WARS ACADEMY OR MAGE WARS ARENA. IT IS NOT A STAND-ALONE PRODUCT."
If true, that would imply some of the existing promos might become compatible with Academy, and there won't be any conjurations in Grimoire - vanquishing hopes of a legal (and presumably errata'd version) of Ballista, among others (Wall of Poison Gas, Hidden Tunnels, etc).
was thinking the same thing. Not only that but MOST cards simply seem too powerful for academy or have no place there.
Some other examples:
- Asto Vidatu
- bloodwave greatbow
- dragonclaw wolverine
- dwarf krieghammer
- fire elemental
- vorpal blade
-...
Only a few would actually fit in academy.
And how many of them would actually fit in Academy?
Maybe it is just for Arena and that description was wrong?
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my guess of the ones that could fit:
- Eekamouse if bleed would be introduced (although I think the design of that card is pretty weak)
- unstable fire imp
- life link maybe
- mana vampirism possibly
- elfric's life ring
- Leather belt
- ring of healing
- Bloodthirsty/flame/lightning strike
So, in total maybe 10? I'm also guessing the description is wrong.
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I agree with a lot of your list, but some things on there really do seem OP. Mana vampirism gives the mana TRANSFER +1 trait, not mana drain +1.
Life link heals your mage up to 3 damage every round and puts it on another creature. It's like a reverse version of joined strength, but three times as powerful.
Here is my list:
Eekamouse
Unstable fire imp
Bind spirit
Leather belt
Flame strike
Lightning Strike
Bloodthirsty Strike
Ring of Healing
That's only 8 different spells. Not really enough for an expansion. Either we're about to get a lot more academy promos that aren't for the priestess or warlock expansions, or the Lost Grimoire really is only for Arena.
Also, are you kidding me? Eekamouse looks like an AMAZING card for Academy!
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Also, are you kidding me? Eekamouse looks like an AMAZING card for Academy!
maybe. Seems like a "[mwcard=MW1C33]Sosruko, Ferret Companion[/mwcard]"-kind of card. very nice in theory, but just never makes it into actual play because it's a bit too weak and situational. Sosruko might actually be fun in academy instead of arena.
I agree with your list comments. ;)
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Lost Grimore is an Arena product. I believe that is a simple typo. It is not compatible with Academy.
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Lost Grimore is an Arena product. I believe that is a simple typo. It is not compatible with Academy.
After release, will the Lost Grimore cards be considered tournament legal?
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Typically it is 30 days after release before the cards become tourney legal.
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sIKE is correct.
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To further clarify that is the General Release not the Early Release.
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So Laddinfance already clarified that Grimoire is Arena, but regarding the Academy promo speculation, don't forget the 2016 Dice Tower promos, all of which are designed for Academy specifically.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/tomvasel/the-dice-tower-2016-season-12 (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/tomvasel/the-dice-tower-2016-season-12)
Bound Healing
Cowardice
Miss
Royal Armorer
Sanctuary
Servant of Malacoda
Silverclaw Ratel
Stench of Death
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I wish that next academy mage would be Warlord. Oh how much i want to have good goblin swarm :)
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Is there somewhere an overview of upcoming products and estimated release dates ?
First time I hear of Lost Grimoire ... can't find anything regarding upcoming products and release schedule.
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Is there somewhere an overview of upcoming products and estimated release dates ?
First time I hear of Lost Grimoire ... can't find anything regarding upcoming products and release schedule.
http://forum.arcanewonders.com/index.php?topic=15300.0 (http://forum.arcanewonders.com/index.php?topic=15300.0)
http://forum.arcanewonders.com/index.php?topic=16475.msg63754#msg63754 (http://forum.arcanewonders.com/index.php?topic=16475.msg63754#msg63754)
http://forum.arcanewonders.com/index.php?topic=16146.msg59278#msg59278 (http://forum.arcanewonders.com/index.php?topic=16146.msg59278#msg59278)
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I wish that next academy mage would be Warlord. Oh how much i want to have good goblin swarm :)
Try running goblins in Domination with [mwcard=MWBG1C04]this guy[/mwcard]. Elusive goblins are pretty amazing in a format that's pretty much all about guarding and/or being elusive!
I just noticed Slaknir's "goblin force push" ability is technically a ranged attack, which means he could even do it over a wall that blocks LoS via [mwcard=FWJ02]Archer's Watchtower[/mwcard] (Indirect).
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I wonder though, will there be Academy sized spellbook packs or something? It seems these mage expansions for Academy don't include a 40-pocket sized spell book with designs to match the theme of the mage. Far as it looks, there is only going to be the core set's Beastmaster and Wizard's books to use.
Sure, we could use spare Arena spellbooks, but those are huge 80 pocket books. Wasted space compared to the Academy sized books.
Would love more of the Academy 40-pocket design options in spellbooks sometime.
Personally, I would prefer only the cards and save on the cost of the spellbook. They could sell a pack of 2 books for those who want them.
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agreed on the book part.
Try running goblins in Domination with [mwcard=MWBG1C04]this guy[/mwcard]. Elusive goblins are pretty amazing in a format that's pretty much all about guarding and/or being elusive!
I just noticed Slaknir's "goblin force push" ability is technically a ranged attack, which means he could even do it over a wall that blocks LoS via [mwcard=FWJ02]Archer's Watchtower[/mwcard] (Indirect).
I have tried to use him already, but I just never find the mana to cast him since swarm strategies are always mana drained. A goblin swarm seems to gain more with [mwcard=FWJ03]Barracks[/mwcard] [mwcard=MWSTX2FFJ04]Armory[/mwcard]. Especially the armor is a big help for weak goblins. I love the idea to use him, so I'm far from giving up on slaknir.
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Maybe use fewer goblins and no barracks? The academy enchantments could let you beef up 2 or 3 goblins
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I was mistaken, I meant an [mwcard=MWSTX2FFJ04]Armory[/mwcard]